MINUTES
STATE AND LOCAL TAX SECTION COUNCIL
Friday, October 17, 2003
12:00 Noon
Illinois State Bar Association Chicago Regional Office
20 South Clark Street, Suite 900
312/726-8775
The ISBA SALT Section Council Meeting was called to order by Chairman Norris at 12:17 pm.
A. Approval of the Minutes from the August 8, 2003 Meeting.
Upon motion duly made and seconded, the Minutes of the August 20, 2003 SALT Section Council Meeting, were approved.
B. The following members were in attendance at the meeting:
John K. Norris, Chair
John G. Locallo, Vice-Chair
Rodney C. Slutzky, Secretary
Katherine A. Amari, Louise M. Calvert, James Chipman, Stanley Cichowski, Mary Ann Connelly, Karen Dimond, Joanne Elliott, Thomas A. Jaconetty, Steven Kandelman, Stanley Kaminski, Frederic Lane, Martha Mills, Julie-April Montgomery, Timothy E. Moran, Mary T. Nicolau, James Rooney, Donald T. Rubin, William J. Seitz, Jacob Steinfink, John Truskowski, Judge Alexander White, and Mary Grant, Staff Liaison.
Don Rubin reported that the legislature would be in "veto session" on November 4th, 5th and 6th, and again on November 18th, 19th and 20th and that it will begin its regular session in January. Mr. Rubin cautioned that the SALT Section Council should remain vigilant because anything can happen in Springfield during the veto session. In addition, Mr. Rubin reported on a number of House and Senate Bills of interest to SALT, which were vetoed by Governor Blagojevich: SB1321, SB1881, SB606, HB3080 and HB1489.
A discussion ensued regarding the defeat of SB620 and strategies that SALT might employ in response to new legislative initiatives that might be introduced by the Cook County Assessor's office. Chairman Norris reported that he had made a number of calls in order to meet and discuss compromise proposals with the Assessor's staff, but that he had received no response. It was further reported that the Civic Federation would attempt to reintroduce its compromise proposal in the veto session.
Mary Ann Connelly reported that the November issue had already been sent to the Springfield office and that SALT is on schedule to publish 12 issues this year.
A. October 29, 2003 "Real Estate Tax Issues in Everyday Practice: New Issues Confronting the Real Estate Practitioner"
Tim Moran reported that the Seminar was only two weeks away and that 70 people have pre-registered, so far. Chairman Norris encouraged all SALT council members to register, if only to get a copy of the approximately 600 pages of useful seminar materials that will be available to registrants. SALT council members who register by October 22nd can attend the seminar, receive the seminar materials, and even get a free lunch, all for only $60.00. Chairman Norris thanked Tim Moran for organizing the seminar, Bill Seitz for developing the "power-point" presentation, and the section council members who will be presenters: Tim Moran, Mary Ann Connelly, William Seitz, James Chipman, James Rooney, Thomas Jaconetty and Thomas McNulty. Hugh Pollard and Michael Kelly are also scheduled speakers. (Note: Chairman Norris will also appear at the seminar, as a moderator.)
A. PTAB/Cook County Board of Review - Steinfink (Chair)
Jay Steinfink reported that his subcommittee will be meeting to discuss: 1) the Supreme Court's denial of the Petition for Leave to Appeal the Bosch decision; 2) proposed legislation; and 3) PTAB rule changes regarding notification and discovery.
B. Case Law - White (Chair)
Judge White briefly described three recent appellate court decisions:
1) In re Application of the County (Levin v. Skidmore, as Trustee), 2-02-1076, 2003 Ill. App. Lexis 1249 (2nd Dist., October 2, 2003)
2) Ceres One Corp., et.al. v. Naperville Twp. Rd. Dist., 2-02-1250, 2003 Ill.App.LEXIS 1239 (2nd Dist., September 30, 2003)
3) Bond County Board of Review v. PTAB, 5-02-0064, 2003 Ill. App. LEXIS 1166 (5th Dist., August 26, 2003)
Judge White also described issues presented in an "amusement tax" case he recently heard and has "taken under advisement."
C. Membership - Amari (Chair)
Katherine Amari reported that she recently attended John Marshall Law School Day, where she was able to recruit three student members. She reported that another law student day has been scheduled in January. Ms. Amari will have a table set up with membership materials at the upcoming seminar.
In order to accommodate Stan Kaminski, Chairman Norris departed from the scheduled Agenda, as follows:
VIII. Old Business
A. Chicago License Hold Ordinance - Kaminski (Exhibit A)
Stan Kaminski gave a status report on SALT's recommended change to Chicago's license hold provision in the Municipal Code, which was previously sent to President Lavin for consideration at the September ISBA Board Meeting. The ISBA Board did not approve the proposal because it considered to be a "local issue" and therefore, not something the ISBA should be involved with. In a letter to Chairman Norris dated September 24th, the Board offered to have the matter considered further at its January 23rd meeting, at which time SALT could send a representative to address the concerns raised by the Board. Mr. Kaminski agreed to attend the January Board Meeting on behalf of SALT.
At this time, Chairman Norris returned to the scheduled Agenda, as follows:
VI. D. Unauthorized Practice of Law - Elliott (Chair)
Joanne Elliott reported that a Newsletter Article would be appearing soon on ULP. In addition, she and Tom McNulty were about to decide what evidence will be given to the UPL Task Force with respect to real estate tax assessment matters. Ms. Elliott will have more detailed information to report at the next SALT Meeting.
Tom Jaconetty reported that the Board of Review has developed new forms which addresses UPL concerns. The forms are intended to required complainants to more clearly state the relationship between the property owner and the representative before the Board. A representative will have to affirm the existence of an attorney client relationship. The Board's intent is to make the practice of law "better." Mr. Jaconetty suggested that the new forms are still a "work in progress."
Judge White added some comments on pro hac vice petitions required of lawyers who are not licensed to practice in Illinois, in order to appear in Illinois Courts and in Illinois Administrative Proceedings.
E. Exemption Streamlining - Davis (Chair)
No report.
F. Treasurer's Issues - Seitz (Chair)
Bill Seitz reported that a subcommittee meeting has been scheduled for October 24th. There will be something to report at the next SALT meeting.
Martha Mills reported that the 2003 Scavenger Sale list has been published and is available. The sale is scheduled to begin on November 17th. If anyone is aware of errors on the publication list, please bring these errors to the attention of the Treasurer's Office so that the list can be corrected.
G. Strategic Planning - Locallo (Chair)
John Locallo reported that he has been speaking at local law schools to promote the Young Lawyers Division of ISBA.
H. Website Development - Connelly (Chair)
Mary Anne Connelly advised that there was nothing new to report. She requested that anyone with suggestions for materials to be put on the Website should let her know.
I. IICLE Cumulative Update - Jaconetty (Chair)
Tom Jaconetty reported that IICLE has decided that a brand new edition of the State and Local Taxation handbook will be published, and not a supplement. Of the 23 authors who contributed to the last edition, six will not be returning authors. In each case, they have agreed to assign their copyright rights. New authors have been recruited and thus, there is now a full compliment of authors who have committed to the project. Everyone has submitted a signed commitment letter. Tom Jaconetty has agreed to serve as the General Editor. Two new chapter will be written, one on Unclaimed Property and Escheat, and the other on Miscellaneous Issues. There will be no material on real estate tax matters included in the handbook. A "kick-off" meeting for the participating authors has been scheduled for October 30th. The deadline for submission of chapter manuscripts will be March 1, 2004. Many of the recruited authors are current members of the SALT Section Council.
J. Penalty Review (SB 1903) - Cichowski (Chair)
Stan Cichowski reported that two or three organizations are looking at the penalty provisions enacted with SB1903. He reported that the matter may come up during the legislative veto session but that it will be tough to have the newly enacted legislation repealed, as the projected penalty income has already been incorporated into the budget. Although options are likely to be limited, one option being considered is to change the penalty provision back to the way it was.
VII. Liaison Reports
A. ISBA Bar News - Norris
Chairman Norris reported that SALT is getting good publicity. The upcoming seminar has been prominently promoted, featuring several photographs of participating speakers.
B. Attorney General Opinions - O'Neill
Dan O'Neill could not be in attendance, but previously advised Chairman Norris that there were no new AG opinions to report.
C. Local Government - White
Judge White reported that the Local Government Newsletter has a summary of recent legislation.
VIII. Old Business
A. Chicago License Hold Ordinance - Kaminski (Exhibit A)
See above.
B. Status of PTAB Appeals (Bosch and Lurie Cases) - Seitz
Bill Seitz reported that the Illinois Supreme Court has denied the Petition for Leave to Appeal the Bosch decision. The potential ramifications of the PLA denial will be discussed at the upcoming SALT Seminar.
A spirited discussion ensued as the SALT Section Council debated the meaning of Bosch and how strategies and procedures will change at the Board of Review and the PTAB. Particularly troublesome was the Appellate Court's opinion that de novo hearings at the PTAB have to be based on issues and evidence offered at the Board of Review. Was this part of the decision dicta? Some council members felt there was substantial ambiguity in the decision, while other's believed the decision to be very clear on the de novo review issue. Since the decision conflicts with opinions from the other four appellate court districts, does Bosch change long standing procedures outside of Cook County? Some council members felt that attorneys might now have a legal duty to conduct a more formalized hearing at the Board of Review in order to preserve meaningful appeal rights at the PTAB. Others questioned whether or not this was even possible, given the enormous quantity of assessment complaints presented at the Board of Review, given the limited time available to render decisions so the assessment appeal process can be completed in an appropriate time frame. Other practical issues were discussed, such as, how does one preserve the "evidence" presented by the Board of Review Commissioners, when they have not testified as witnesses and when they haven't presented any evidence?
Because Bosch raises so many unanswered questions, the SALT discussion turned to possible legislative solutions to these potential problems. Tim Moran reported that a Civic Federation Forum was being held next week to discuss these issues. Karen Dimond circulated a legislative proposal sponsored by the Taxpayer's Federation which specifically addresses the de novo review issue. There was considerable speculation among the SALT Section Council members as to whether some of these issues would be addressed during the upcoming legislative veto session, or whether legislation would have to wait until spring.
Mark Lane moved that the SALT Section Council support the concept of the Taxpayer's Federation proposal amending Section 16-180 of the Property Tax Code which seeks to reiterate that de novo review at the PTAB means de novo review. The motion was seconded, and upon a vote of the section council members passed: 12 in favor, 0 opposed, 1 abstention.
It was generally agreed that the most effective approach to achieving a legislative solution would be to get all the special interest groups to meet and agree to a compromise bill. It was suggested that SALT try to organize such a meeting. It was pointed out that SALT should not act without ISBA authority, but rather, the proposal should go through Don Houlihan, the ISBA legislative counsel.
Tim Moran suggested that SALT move up its next meeting so that SALT could revisit these issues with more current information from the legislative veto session. Chairman Norris advised that he would try to schedule a meeting for November 10, 2003 at 12:00 noon at Chicago's ISBA office.
IX. New Business
A. Streamlined Sales Tax Issue - Cichowski
No report. Stan Cichowski had to leave the meeting. Julie-April Montgomery suggested that there would be a "lot of activity" if streamlining goes through because it will have a substantial impact on all local taxing systems.
B. Judicial Evaluation Committee (Exhibit B)
President Lavin has advised all ISBA members that ISBA has voted to withdraw from the Alliance of Bar Associations for Judicial Screening and that ISBA will be conducting its own judicial evaluations. President Lavin is seeking volunteers to participate in the judicial evaluation process. Mary Ann Connelly reported that, although time consuming, it is a great experience.
C. IDOR Tax Amnesty Program (See ISBA website)
The Tax Amnesty Program will end on November 17, 2003. The program seeks to give delinquent taxpayers a "second chance" and more importantly, raise a substantial amount of revenue for the state. Information on this program has been presented in the most recent SALT Newsletter.
A. National Association of State Bar Tax Sections.
Discussion on continued membership in NASBTS was tabled.
B. Section Council Roster (Exhibit C)
Chairman Norris reminded everyone to try to recruit new members to SALT.
C. LEARN/Children's Assistance Program (Exhibit D)
Chairman Norris recommended that SALT Section Council members support this worthy program by attending its fund raising event on December 5, 2003 at Joe's Sports Bar, 940 W. Weed Street, Chicago.
A. The ISBA Midyear Meeting will be held in Chicago on Friday, November 7, 2003 and then adjourn to Florida. There will be no SALT Section Council meeting held at Midyear.
B. The ISBA Annual Meeting will be held June 17-20, 2004 in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin. SALT has requested a Friday morning meeting time.
C. The next SALT Section Council Meeting will be held on November 10, 2003 at the downtown Chicago ISBA office. Chairman Norris asked council members to consider where they want their "out of town" meeting to be held. Options include Peoria, Springfield, and St. Louis.
Respectfully submitted,
Rodney Slutzky
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